Does anyone have a 3rd environment?

[johngarbaciak]

Besides Q and P of course.  Curious minds wanna know......

[Gerard1 · Accepted solution]

jrg , this is a question I've been seen and thought for myself. The answer is, aside from the Starter System, Q and P Systems represent the landscape in its entirety. Activate Methodology dictates this to ensure a consistent and replicable experience for customers and our delivery experts. Adding complexity in the form of other systems, is seen to distract from the imperatives of fast time to value for realisation and additional capability. I hope this helps.

Regards,

Gerard Koelmeyer

SAP Australia

[johngarbaciak]

And tell Tara John from RSG said hello!

[johngarbaciak]

Agreed, a small subsidiary of a large multi-national perhaps.....but I imagine SAP is thinking much bigger. Interesting.

[former_member94298]

No - but we did ask this question - as the Q / P structure (ignoring starter here, which becomes of very limited value quite quickly once you embark on build) is definitely very restrictive - particularly when it comes to topics such as data migration testing. Obviously if you just follow the Activate methodology, this works fine - but I certainly would want to do a few clean cycles of data migration with proper reconciliation prior to go-live - and you cannot do this properly with the Q/P only structure.

We have asked SAP about having additional environments (even on a temporary basis) and the response is a firm 'no'. I can understand this from a cost point of view on their side - but it definitely makes for a sub-optimal implementation approach

[johngarbaciak]

If I am a very large multi-national company it is a deal breaker.

[former_member95896]

It can be a deal breaker or an advantage depending on structure of the company and how they want to use S4HC. As Clare and Gerard mentioned (and in my experience being live in S/4HANA Public Cloud for the last year) you're trading customization and control for speed of implementation and best practice. If you have a complex business model, S/4HC probably isn't for you anyway at its current level of functionality and maturity. I have heard or several companies that use or are looking at S4HC for acquisitions to bolt on to their existing SAP instances and get those entities up and running quick with good results in multiple countries.

Do I wish I could cleanse our Q system of the garbage data that has been there since before go live: sure, everyone will. Maybe SAP will do this for us if we ask nicely or give us a mechanism to do it in Q.

[former_member94298]

Agree - the option to cleanse Q would be a huge bonus (and in fact once you are live, the option to copy back data from P would also be really useful... but don't get me started on that topic!)

[johngarbaciak]

It does ...and doesn't if you know what I mean. Thank you Gerard!